Life lessons

I wasn’t very well yesterday.

I wasn’t really ill either, but ill enough to feel very sorry for myself and to need sleep.

Unfortunately, needing sleep when you have a 10 month old who still breastfeeds means you are needing something difficult to get. I did manage a long nap in the afternoon, but it was partly by taking soa with me, and then by Big taking her off to the living room while I slept some more. Napping in an hour slots basically.

Big was very helpful. She is often very helpful. But only if she notices stuff, which just as often, she doesn’t.

So she’ll ask if there’s anything she can do for me when I’m sat stuck in a chair under a falling baby, after she’s left the kitchen in a state after her last meal. And I say no thank you, not knowing that she’s made work for me at the very least in calling her back to clear it and have the standard argument at that point in time.

Sigh. I’m not quite sure what to do about all this. When they were Montessori-ed they were supposed to clear their own places and wash up their own stuff, but somehow that never carried over into home life. Which seems rather a failing of the system. Part of the problem is that Small still struggles to reach the sink, but I don’t know what Big’s excuse is.

Anyway, that wasn’t what I was going to write about. 😉

During tea, we were talking about how I felt. And we got on to the topic of sympathy. It’s understanding how someone feels, we explained, and letting them know that you share their feeling.

Both children looked at us blankly.

🙁 It’s true, they are hardly ever ill, so they can’t understand by remembering. But neither of them ever really tries to imagine what other ppl might be feeling, and as for sharing in it, well, just no. I remember Small did it once, at nursery, when he was about 3 – but the fact that that incident stands out in my mind is indicative of something to say the least!

Big is a very caring person, but in a fairly ineffectual way. She doesn’t really ‘get’ ppl, and that is becoming more and more obvious as she gets older. She wants to have friends, but doesn’t know how to go about it. And it’s not really something I can help her with, as I shared the problem at her age. It’s taken me years to find a group of friends who I share interests with and it was mainly home education and blogging about it that built those friendships. Quite a lot of us have been together through thick and thin now, and I really value those relationships – but I can’t tell Big to wait until she’s 30 to find friends!

She does get along well with many of her home educated peers. Possibly because she’s known them for years, effectively growing up with them. But unfortunately we don’t live that near to any of her closest friends now, and she hasn’t managed to click that well with anyone through either swimming or Brownies.

(And before anyone suggests it, I’ve no reason to think that her going to school would improve her chances. I went to school. I made some friends, but certainly not a lot! And while I’ve reconnected with a few ppl through facebook, that reconnection word should say a little about the relationships 😉 )

So, it looks like we’re going to be working explicitly on things like sympathy, empathy, sharing and caring. Anyone got any resources they’d like to suggest? Following our conversation though, both children left the table and snuck off to make me get well cards so that went down well, and as I do feel better today, presumably worked too 🙂


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12 responses to “Life lessons”

  1. Hmm, hard one this. Both the boys are very perceptive and do understand illness, but I would rather they didnt as they gained this understanding from the double mastectomy and subsequent sepsis and holpitilisation that I underwent. I think that friendships are hard to form in life, Maddad is my best friend we have been together through thick and thin. But blogging has brough me a wider range of friendships too. I encourage the boys to do chores and we hve a shop which recognises positive behaviour – here I blogged about it http://www.muminthemadhouse.com/2009/08/praise-punnishment-rewards-and.html
    .-= TheMadHouse´s last blog ..Wonderful Whitby Abbey =-.

    1. @TheMadHouse Yes, that’s not a good way for children to have to learn about illness 🙁 But even then tbh, not all kids would – Small didn’t register my miscarriages, although Big did.
      Will take a look at that positive behaviour stuff on your blog, thanks 🙂

  2. Got no suggestions but I am sorry you weren’t well.

    1. feeling better now, thanks for the visit.

  3. Would a visual checklist in the kitchen (and bathroom/bedroom etc!) be any good at reminding them what they are supposed to do? So after each meal you can remind them to check the list and it should, hopefully, become habit? It sounds like Big could possibly use a social skills group, which obviously is normally done in school but maybe you could adapt it and do some adult directed play with a group of friends so you say things that she can model eg “How are you today?” or “I really like your top?”. Role playing might work with them both too and I don’t know if you have much luck with social stories but they are always worth a try!

  4. I’m not sure that it’s not developmentally NORMAL for children the age of yours to not ‘get’ people ~ and certainly empathy is a more adult skill.
    I would argue that ‘sympathy’ is the understanding of what another person might be feeling (like head knowledge), whereas empathy is the united ‘feeling’ of it ~ the being able to put yourself in their shoes. Many children would understand that it is ‘normal’ to cry if you hurt yourself, but they would not be able to relate a degree of hurt relative to the injury. Does that make sense?
    Skills like empathy require a very real ability to blend black and white and tbh, I think even my uber-sociable 13yo struggles with that still at times! In my experience, children do not ‘get’ shades of grey. You are ‘sick/ill’ if they can see you throwing up (black) and you are otherwise ‘well’ (white) ~ kind of ‘icky’ is too grey for them to really understand, even if they’ve experienced it! Most children cannon translate their OWN experiences into the lives of others.
    (me): “If you destroy N’s car track how will he feel?”
    (C): “I don’t know!”
    (me): “How would YOU feel?”
    (C): (possibility of 2 answers here) “I don’t know!” / “cross!”
    (me): “So how do you THINK N will feel?”
    (C): (again 2 possibilities) “I don’t know” / “He’ll be cross maybe.”
    Now admittedly C is only 5, but the chances of him reaching the correct conclusion are 50/50, and that with it pretty much spelled out to him. On his own he would NOT make this conclusion EVER. As mine have got older these skills have begun to seep in, but they still need reminding to ‘do unto others…’ ~ it doesn’t come as 2nd nature!!
    I wouldn’t be worried about Big and Small not ‘getting’ other people ~ if it’s not bothering them, or the others they mix with atm, then don’t let it bother you! Chances are the other children don’t ‘get’ them either!! And in the ‘real’ world, as you kind of said already, we really only ever ‘get’ the people who we have commonality with and that’s OK ~ isn’t it?! I’d say we don’t have to be able empathise with everyone, even if we can sympathise with them ~ gosh I’d be a mess if I tried to put myself in the shoes of all those I have immense sympathy for!
    Sorry ~ I went on a bit! Suffice to say ~ I think your kids are normal and cool! 😀
    .-= Caroline´s last blog ..Back-to-School or not =-.

  5. PS ~ hope you’re feeling better! 😀
    .-= Caroline´s last blog ..Back-to-School or not =-.

  6. My kids can be very empathic and sympathetic – in that they’ll be attentive to someone who’s unhappy or not well, (I remember Saurus, age about 3, rubbing my back as I threw up endlessly for 9months when I was pregnant with Roo, and Fluff trying to put his dummy in my mouth when I was having a sleep deprived meltdown when Petal was tiny)
    but they still walk straight part messes/things to take up the stairs, etc etc!
    It’s the old lather rinse repeat routine – calling them back, pointing it out (AGAIN) mentioning it at the family meeting…
    I do think it helps if you frequently talk about your feelings, physical and emotional, both with your spouse in their hearing, and also ask them about theirs – ‘how are you today?’ ‘You seem out of sorts this morning’
    They tend to copy what I say and how I say it (this isn’t always good 😉 ) and I often compliment them on their t-shirt choice or what ever… it does rub off 😀
    .-= mamacrow´s last blog ..Todays your birthday =-.

  7. OH, and everything Caroline said! 😀
    .-= mamacrow´s last blog ..Todays your birthday =-.

  8. She’ll find friends one day , I went to school (hated it as everyone knows due to my bullying post) and never made any friends that I could call ‘friends’ now. I’m even stuck in a town where I have no friends. I can probably count the number of real friends I have now using my hands and do you know what they all are – bloggers! That may sounds really sad to some people , but these strangers who I exchanged online witterings with are now people I can call friends and who I can go to/call up when I have a problem. No one ever got me. I still think no one ‘gets me’ . Emma 🙂 x
    .-= Emma´s last blog ..QuinnyCasters =-.

  9. hiya Jax
    echoing similar here too. My Oldest is very sociable and finds friends anywhere! but my youngest who is now 10 is really rather puzzled why she doesn’t make friends easily, none of her friends live close to us either so we’re working on seeing quality friends when we can and explaining to her it’s not quantity that matters.
    She has found a few friends through going to a dance school on saturdays. It has been suggested by a few people “Well if she went to school it would be different.” but I truely belive it wouldn’t, she was in school for a term and a bit before HE and she never made friends then either.
    I doubt very much that schools are a good place for socialising!
    .-= dawny´s last blog ..Tuesday- a better day =-.

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