The one child expert.

You know the type. The parent who has had a child (or possibly more than one, let’s not be too exclusive here) and on the grounds of their extensive experience with their own family feels empowered to tell everyone else how to do it with theirs. Lots of them rang in to the Radio 2 show I was listening to earlier today, to explain why the ppl who had done studies on child carriers or buggies were completely wrong. I particularly enjoyed the twerp who attributed pushing his children in a forward facing (ie away from the parent) buggy to why they were now successful adults, one of whom has just driven from Northern Ireland to Mongolia.

*headdesk* Likely to have made such a difference. Let’s discount and ignore the discussion of research by someone something to do with a nursery, who had studied how children engaged dependent on which way they were facing. She said that when the children were facing out, 30% (I think, bear in mind I was washing up, fuming and giving my own child lunch at this point) were engaged with their surroundings, while when they were facing back to their carers, 94% were engaged. She had some theories about why this would be so, but we didn’t get to look into those much.

Because we had to give airtime to the “expert” (yes, I am putting that in quotes) who said that this was rubbish. I didn’t catch the name of this expert, and if I had, it would have been to ensure that I avoided her in future. She said that we need outward facing individuals, and the best way to get that was to have outward facing babies. Because of course, no one ever develops different skills to those they use in babyhood, and we can tell that by the way we’re all still wearing nappies in day to day life….

Honestly, do these ppl listen to themselves? They talk such complete and utter nonsense.

Of course, some children will be happy in forward facing prams. Of couse some children won’t be. It does seem logical to me that young babies will feel better if they can see their carers – most will be even happier being carried close to their carer’s body in an inward facing sling, listening to a heartbeat. But some children don’t like slings – they are all different.

That’s an important thing to point out. All children are individuals. Just because something worked with one of your children, doesn’t mean it will work with another of your children, or that it will work with all children. So don’t ring up the radio and say that it will!

I think the ppl who study children have probably worked that out. I don’t know why it’s so difficult for so many ppl to come to terms with though.

I will go on for a final rant about one thing. The outward facing carrier available on the high street such as the baby bjorn type. These ones I don’t think are good for babies. And this isn’t about which way they are facing, it’s about the type of support it’s giving to them. If you look at a child in one of these, they are effectively swinging from their crotch. Not the way you’d carry a baby, and not the way they should be worn. Pouches, soft carriers, slings, wraps, what they all do is wrap around the baby’s bottom and carry them as if they are sitting, with knees bent up, and the body fully supported. That really is important, and something worth thinking about carefully when you choose a carrier. There are others that are as easy to wear but do support the child better, such as the ergo, or connecta. And those carriers do advise that you wear a small baby facing in, because anatomically, it’s better for them. As they get bigger, you carry them on your back and they look over your shoulder and interact with the world.

And you know what, they can really be quite outward facing as they go…


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20 responses to “The one child expert.”

  1. divasupermum antoinette avatar
    divasupermum antoinette

    i totally agree with you most of them talk, rubbish, they should take time to listen to themselfs

    1. Think they love the sound of their own voices, but don’t hear the content.

  2. Why do people even research such ridiculous things?
    I had a Baby Bjorn, but didn’t really use it much, and have just had a Lifft sling to try out, which I love! I wish I’d found slings years ago.

    1. I thought the research on outward or inward facing buggies was quite interesting actually, and could make a big difference particularly in nursery settings. But I appreciate it’s a touchy subject.
      Not heard of a lifft sling, sounds interesting. Our very first carrier was a cheapo baby bjorn type, and it just didn’t feel right, so I ended up replacing it with a ring sling. Wish I’d found wraps earlier – used one extensively with Smallest and it’s been fantastic.

      1. Lifft is a UK made pouch.Nothing very different about it. I find it too deep so am dubious about it. Ring sling is a much more adjustable option.

      2. I agree with you that it is interesting. I am am lucky enough to have a pram that can face both ways and have always had my children facing me, which I thought was a bit selfish of me, as I foolishly assumed they would rather look at what was going on rather than look at me, but I like to see what they are up to!
        I just think its a bit of a shame that as mothers we are made to worry about everything we do. xx

  3. I had a Baby Bjorn and used it until DD was about 6 months. I never carried her forward facing as I felt that her little face was too vulnerable. And she liked snuggling up and watching the world from a side-view.
    Re the buggy, by the time I’d fulfilled all the other requirements – carrycot, carseat attachment (which did face me), not too heavy, nice colour… I was just grateful that she had somewhere to sit. If they had made one with all the above and facing me I would have bought it – but they didn’t.
    One last thing – at 2 1/2 DD sometimes likes to just sit and drift/dream in her buggy as the world goes by. Isn’t she allowed this time not to be engaged, just to be?

    1. Of course they are allowed to not engage when they want to. Especially for an older child I think quiet time with their own thoughts is important. But I think this is talking more about very little babies and the awareness they need of their carers. Not necessarily actually interacting/ engaging, but being secure in the knowledge that there is still someone there.

      1. My daughter first went in a forward facing buggy at 5 months when my mum bought one. My Mum (paediatrician) was amazed at the difference it made to my daughter’s behaviour – and rather worried that she just turned off.

  4. Lorraine Berry avatar
    Lorraine Berry

    I bought a mother care pram (my 3) for my third as it did have all the options re car seat, converts to flat lying carrycot and also to forward facing or rear facing pram. I have to say it has been fantastic and I notice the difference in my baby (my third) when he is facing me. He is now a year and does want to face outwards more frequently now, but the design means I can swop him back round to me if he isn’t happy, or wants to “talk”! I do also use a ring sling which is so much better than a bjorn – tried one of these with my first and besides anatomy / support issue, they don’t tighten sufficiently around my waist (im quite thin) to disperse weight evenly, so I ended up seeing a chiropractor with a neck / shoulder problem. I love my close sling and would use it more if it weren’t for a few health issues that mean carrying weight for a long distance / prolonged time is a no no for me. However, having the rear facing pram has been an amazing compromise and we have enjoyed the extra face to face chatting time with our third baby!

    1. you might find a wrap better than a ring sling – they distribute the weight more evenly across the back and shoulders. I can’t use a ring sling any more – discovered that many of my back problems are related to a leg length inequality and I shouldn’t carry weight in an uneven way.
      I never had a rear facing buggy, but then again, we hardly ever use the buggy, spending most of the time baby wearing. With my eldest it got used most often as a carry cot in the living room, and she was facing me then!

  5. That “expert” (not) was Katy somebody or other, that really awful bitchy woman who was on The Apprentice. I hate that woman, I wish she never got any airtime at all.

    1. So not even slightly an expert on anything? Figures.

  6. I thought it was an excellent programme, based on the thirty seconds I heard, in which someone was saying whatever the expert advice of the moment is, the one important thing any parent can do is spend time with their children and get to know them. 🙂

    1. That bit was good. I’d have liked to hear more on the research which was interesting and a lot less on the opinions!

  7. WELL SAID JAX!
    Incedently, it took me a long time to sorce an affordable, second hand refacing three wheeler buggy, but I eventually got one and I love it. My first buggy was an old and battered silvercross that could rear face and I loved it, but It only lasted a couple of children (of mine. It had already done several!)
    You know, I think wanting a rearfacing buggy actually about MY needs in many ways, espcially when they’re really little. I want to know exactly when they go to sleep, if they’re ok, etc etc, it just feels odd and even slightly anxiety inducing not to have them under my eye, to have to lean over the top or round the side to see them.
    Oh, and I can’t really use a ring sling much either anymore, certainly not for anylenght of time, once the child is over 3 mnths or so. Wish I learnt to wraps sooner!

    1. I think that’s my problem with the forward facing buggies. I want to be able to see then and interact with them. I end up walking alongside and pushing then in a contorted fashion, which can’t be good for my back.

    2. You could try a mei-tai – simpler than a ring sling or wrap. My fav is napsack.

  8. Ha.
    *Head Desk*
    That is all 😉

  9. I love the child experts! – always great for a giggle!
    When I had twins I was seen as the exception to the rule, finding a pram that faced the babies to me was tricky so I was ‘excused’ for having a buggy that faced them away from me!
    also I found that my expert friends would say it was the parents that caused every behaviour, I had one girlfriend who said babies that bite clearly had violent parents; again I had twins, one bit one didnt!
    P{eople eh!
    great post jax
    xxxx

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