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	<description>montessori at school, autonomous at home, all learning together</description>
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		<title>By: Debbie</title>
		<link>http://liveotherwise.co.uk/makingitup/2007/01/23/a-little-history/#comment-232869</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 18:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever. personnally i think schooling in any form is unproductive but if you pay your taxes you should get what you want without someone making out like they are doing you some great big frigging favour. And whilst you at a personal level had issues with faith schools at governmental level there was never any issue with it. until the bogey man wanted them too then all hell breaks loose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever. personnally i think schooling in any form is unproductive but if you pay your taxes you should get what you want without someone making out like they are doing you some great big frigging favour. And whilst you at a personal level had issues with faith schools at governmental level there was never any issue with it. until the bogey man wanted them too then all hell breaks loose.</p>
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		<title>By: Allie</title>
		<link>http://liveotherwise.co.uk/makingitup/2007/01/23/a-little-history/#comment-232860</link>
		<dc:creator>Allie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 16:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Debbie, I say the same of ALL faith schools.  I think we SHOULD live in a secular society when it comes to state funded services.  Faith is nothing to do with the state - it should neither fund nor supress it.  Of COURSE you should have freedom of conscience.  I find it bizarre that you should think I have suggested you should not.

It is simply not true that 'nobody had an issue with faith schools until muslims got them'.  I certainly did and so did a lot of other atheists.  Just try talking to some of the people who get 'given' jolly little 'high achieving' CofE schools that slip the religion in daily.  I have family members who have children sent home with religious tracts every term.  Only one religion by the way - Christian.  I am not Muslim bashing.  I fully support freedom of religion.

BTW Debbie, I pay my taxes TOO and I don't get state funded schools that provide the education I see fit.  That's why I choose to home ed. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Debbie, I say the same of ALL faith schools.  I think we SHOULD live in a secular society when it comes to state funded services.  Faith is nothing to do with the state - it should neither fund nor supress it.  Of COURSE you should have freedom of conscience.  I find it bizarre that you should think I have suggested you should not.</p>
<p>It is simply not true that &#8216;nobody had an issue with faith schools until muslims got them&#8217;.  I certainly did and so did a lot of other atheists.  Just try talking to some of the people who get &#8216;given&#8217; jolly little &#8216;high achieving&#8217; CofE schools that slip the religion in daily.  I have family members who have children sent home with religious tracts every term.  Only one religion by the way - Christian.  I am not Muslim bashing.  I fully support freedom of religion.</p>
<p>BTW Debbie, I pay my taxes TOO and I don&#8217;t get state funded schools that provide the education I see fit.  That&#8217;s why I choose to home ed. <img src='http://liveotherwise.co.uk/makingitup/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://liveotherwise.co.uk/makingitup/2007/01/23/a-little-history/#comment-232853</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 10:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not convinced that the State should be funding religious schools or any religious education at all. But, assuming that it does, then all faiths should be on an equal footing.

But in the end this is just another piece of fear-mongering. Next they will have us all wearing &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camp_badges" rel="nofollow"&gt;badges&lt;/a&gt; so they can tell what kind of "strategic security problem" each of us represents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not convinced that the State should be funding religious schools or any religious education at all. But, assuming that it does, then all faiths should be on an equal footing.</p>
<p>But in the end this is just another piece of fear-mongering. Next they will have us all wearing <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camp_badges" rel="nofollow">badges</a> so they can tell what kind of &#8220;strategic security problem&#8221; each of us represents.</p>
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		<title>By: Debbie</title>
		<link>http://liveotherwise.co.uk/makingitup/2007/01/23/a-little-history/#comment-232851</link>
		<dc:creator>Debbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 09:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, Allie, Muslims pay taxes TOO you know. We should have whatever education that we see fit. This is not a secular society in reality as we have a head of state who is also head of church and the Lords are made up of clergy. Nobody had an issue with faith schools until Muslims got them and with a population of Muslims of 1.8 million I can only thing of ONE school that is state funded - by far less disproportionate than that of Christian or Jewish schools. As a person who is supposed to live in a democratic society I should be afforded  the right to freedom of conscience.  Just like YOU do for your way of life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, Allie, Muslims pay taxes TOO you know. We should have whatever education that we see fit. This is not a secular society in reality as we have a head of state who is also head of church and the Lords are made up of clergy. Nobody had an issue with faith schools until Muslims got them and with a population of Muslims of 1.8 million I can only thing of ONE school that is state funded - by far less disproportionate than that of Christian or Jewish schools. As a person who is supposed to live in a democratic society I should be afforded  the right to freedom of conscience.  Just like YOU do for your way of life.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://liveotherwise.co.uk/makingitup/2007/01/23/a-little-history/#comment-232821</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 19:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>t-b, I don't think for one second this is about language. That is a very different issue and one which could be addressed in many other ways. How do you feel about the Hassidim? Surely, if this were anything other than a racist attack on Muslims, then the Hassidim would be the first place to point the finger. My view is that if a group wants to shut themselves off from mainstream society, as Hassidim do and as the Amish people in the US do, then it is their right to do so, there is no law against it .. yet. 

Perhaps we need a law which requires everyone to send their children to a state school chosen at random? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>t-b, I don&#8217;t think for one second this is about language. That is a very different issue and one which could be addressed in many other ways. How do you feel about the Hassidim? Surely, if this were anything other than a racist attack on Muslims, then the Hassidim would be the first place to point the finger. My view is that if a group wants to shut themselves off from mainstream society, as Hassidim do and as the Amish people in the US do, then it is their right to do so, there is no law against it .. yet. </p>
<p>Perhaps we need a law which requires everyone to send their children to a state school chosen at random? <img src='http://liveotherwise.co.uk/makingitup/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: t-bird</title>
		<link>http://liveotherwise.co.uk/makingitup/2007/01/23/a-little-history/#comment-232820</link>
		<dc:creator>t-bird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 18:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if it's the language issue rather than the faith issue that the minister meant to raise?  It's the "in effect" bit that makes me wonder.  He's refering to children where there is no English spoken in the home and hence these children have no real ability to cope with an English speaking school.  So is he talking about children forced into segregation because they are placed in schools that can deal with their language instead of being placed in more mixed schools rather than the parents choosing to segregate them on faith grounds?  I have no problem with that being raised as an issue, Ghetto schools don't help anyone, lest of all the pupils.


I will be somewhat stroppy though and say that I don't think complete seperation, even voluntary, is something that is good.  Our particular nation is as diverse as it is becuase so many different cultures have intergrated into it.  I grew up boardering on a major Jewish area and although the kids went to the Jewish school (which is a practical arrangement - they do have different festivals around which to hang the school terms after all) and obviously went to the Synagogue on Saturday rather than Church on Sunday, that was as far as the difference went really.  The Kosher shops were on the same street as Spar, we shared play parks, their children joined the same Guides/Scouts etc, we were all part of the same community.  That's different from a community that seals itself in and doesn't share it's culture or allow it's children to see ours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if it&#8217;s the language issue rather than the faith issue that the minister meant to raise?  It&#8217;s the &#8220;in effect&#8221; bit that makes me wonder.  He&#8217;s refering to children where there is no English spoken in the home and hence these children have no real ability to cope with an English speaking school.  So is he talking about children forced into segregation because they are placed in schools that can deal with their language instead of being placed in more mixed schools rather than the parents choosing to segregate them on faith grounds?  I have no problem with that being raised as an issue, Ghetto schools don&#8217;t help anyone, lest of all the pupils.</p>
<p>I will be somewhat stroppy though and say that I don&#8217;t think complete seperation, even voluntary, is something that is good.  Our particular nation is as diverse as it is becuase so many different cultures have intergrated into it.  I grew up boardering on a major Jewish area and although the kids went to the Jewish school (which is a practical arrangement - they do have different festivals around which to hang the school terms after all) and obviously went to the Synagogue on Saturday rather than Church on Sunday, that was as far as the difference went really.  The Kosher shops were on the same street as Spar, we shared play parks, their children joined the same Guides/Scouts etc, we were all part of the same community.  That&#8217;s different from a community that seals itself in and doesn&#8217;t share it&#8217;s culture or allow it&#8217;s children to see ours.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://liveotherwise.co.uk/makingitup/2007/01/23/a-little-history/#comment-232817</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you Allie. My objection is that, once again, Muslims are being singled out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you Allie. My objection is that, once again, Muslims are being singled out.</p>
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		<title>By: Allie</title>
		<link>http://liveotherwise.co.uk/makingitup/2007/01/23/a-little-history/#comment-232816</link>
		<dc:creator>Allie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm.  Well I really don't know.  I have always felt that if the state is funding education (ie everyone's taxes are paying for it) then it should be totally separate from religion.  If people want to fund their own faith schols then fine.  I don't single out muslims here, I'd say the same of any religion. That said I really wouldn't persecute anyone, of any faith, who chose to express their faith through dress or behaviour in state funded schools.  I just don't see that the state should FUND faith schools.  I have nothing against faith, just think that organised religion leads to dogma and persecution and the state has no business using my taxes to support it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm.  Well I really don&#8217;t know.  I have always felt that if the state is funding education (ie everyone&#8217;s taxes are paying for it) then it should be totally separate from religion.  If people want to fund their own faith schols then fine.  I don&#8217;t single out muslims here, I&#8217;d say the same of any religion. That said I really wouldn&#8217;t persecute anyone, of any faith, who chose to express their faith through dress or behaviour in state funded schools.  I just don&#8217;t see that the state should FUND faith schools.  I have nothing against faith, just think that organised religion leads to dogma and persecution and the state has no business using my taxes to support it.</p>
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		<title>By: Merry</title>
		<link>http://liveotherwise.co.uk/makingitup/2007/01/23/a-little-history/#comment-232793</link>
		<dc:creator>Merry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 11:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed. 1/2 Irish ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed. 1/2 Irish <img src='http://liveotherwise.co.uk/makingitup/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://liveotherwise.co.uk/makingitup/2007/01/23/a-little-history/#comment-232792</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2007 10:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Online, i do (did perhaps) keep my Irishness quite quiet"

       &lt;b style="text-transform:uppercase;font-size:120%;letter-spacing:0.8em"&gt;Merry is Irish!!!&lt;/b&gt;

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Online, i do (did perhaps) keep my Irishness quite quiet&#8221;</p>
<p>       <b style="text-transform:uppercase;font-size:120%;letter-spacing:0.8em">Merry is Irish!!!</b></p>
<p> <img src='http://liveotherwise.co.uk/makingitup/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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