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	<description>montessori at school, autonomous at home, all learning together</description>
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		<title>By: Tech</title>
		<link>http://liveotherwise.co.uk/makingitup/2006/06/27/fascinating-reading/#comment-166902</link>
		<dc:creator>Tech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 21:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whilst Kath herself might not be *untouchable* her argument sure as hell is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whilst Kath herself might not be *untouchable* her argument sure as hell is.</p>
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		<title>By: Ruth</title>
		<link>http://liveotherwise.co.uk/makingitup/2006/06/27/fascinating-reading/#comment-166901</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 18:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*applauds*

I gave up work when I was told that I couldn't expect to maintain the status of my old job, and work part-time.  I was mystified by the idea that, in capitalist society, where my time is a commodity that I sell, I wasn't in control of how much of it was up for sale.

It turned out that the quality of my work wasn't what they wanted - it was a fixed quantity, or nothing at all.

Anyway, absolutely it should be about balance, and personal choice, and world getting it's miniscule comprehension around the fact that WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT.  It's insanity for women to spend one century fighting for employment, and the next fighting for the option to stay at home.  Is it asking too much for me to make my own choices?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*applauds*</p>
<p>I gave up work when I was told that I couldn&#8217;t expect to maintain the status of my old job, and work part-time.  I was mystified by the idea that, in capitalist society, where my time is a commodity that I sell, I wasn&#8217;t in control of how much of it was up for sale.</p>
<p>It turned out that the quality of my work wasn&#8217;t what they wanted - it was a fixed quantity, or nothing at all.</p>
<p>Anyway, absolutely it should be about balance, and personal choice, and world getting it&#8217;s miniscule comprehension around the fact that WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT.  It&#8217;s insanity for women to spend one century fighting for employment, and the next fighting for the option to stay at home.  Is it asking too much for me to make my own choices?</p>
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		<title>By: Kath</title>
		<link>http://liveotherwise.co.uk/makingitup/2006/06/27/fascinating-reading/#comment-166900</link>
		<dc:creator>Kath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think she did mean that about EC though - was she not saying that women who deal with cleaning up poo are equivalent to the lowest caste in the caste system and therefore choose to be the "untouchables"? Making all parents the lowest caste in society (cos don't we all deal with poo?) Have to say I probably touch less poo ECing than I did last time round and hopefully this time it won't be for so long either LOL

I didn't read the whole of all the articles, I can't stand people who are superior to others - I am as good as anyone and my worth is not to do with my career, how much I can earn or how many bottoms I wipe, but because I am a human being. I don't think I am being held back by being female. I think society is being held back from treating all members of society fairly and progressing to something better because of an obsession with money.

Perhaps men don't choose to stay home and bring up kids because to begin with they don't birth them and breastfeed them, making mum more likely to be the early care giver, but basically because society is telling all of us we have to be good little workers and put our children in institutions from birth so we can get on up the corporate ladder. If childcare was highly respected and men were brought up to have dolls and look after children, perhaps more of them would be doing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think she did mean that about EC though - was she not saying that women who deal with cleaning up poo are equivalent to the lowest caste in the caste system and therefore choose to be the &#8220;untouchables&#8221;? Making all parents the lowest caste in society (cos don&#8217;t we all deal with poo?) Have to say I probably touch less poo ECing than I did last time round and hopefully this time it won&#8217;t be for so long either LOL</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t read the whole of all the articles, I can&#8217;t stand people who are superior to others - I am as good as anyone and my worth is not to do with my career, how much I can earn or how many bottoms I wipe, but because I am a human being. I don&#8217;t think I am being held back by being female. I think society is being held back from treating all members of society fairly and progressing to something better because of an obsession with money.</p>
<p>Perhaps men don&#8217;t choose to stay home and bring up kids because to begin with they don&#8217;t birth them and breastfeed them, making mum more likely to be the early care giver, but basically because society is telling all of us we have to be good little workers and put our children in institutions from birth so we can get on up the corporate ladder. If childcare was highly respected and men were brought up to have dolls and look after children, perhaps more of them would be doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Allie</title>
		<link>http://liveotherwise.co.uk/makingitup/2006/06/27/fascinating-reading/#comment-166896</link>
		<dc:creator>Allie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 12:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Linda Hirshman is probably frustrated by today's reality not turning out to be the one she thought she was working for.  Maybe she just can't understand the choices being made by the generations of women following her.  I guess that's not really a surprise - given that she is an academic and most of them are very bound up in their work and base a lot of their identity around it.  Also, it is often true that the generation that follows us tends to mystify us!

What really irritates me is that she sets such store by the choices made by a few 'elite' women.  Their choices are pretty much irrelevant to me.

I have identified as a feminist since my teens and spent a lot of time reading theorists who wrote about the family, the position of 'housewives' in society, etc. etc.  I think there ARE interesting things to be said about what is happening in the world of work/family - just not quite what Linda Hirshman said!  Of course she got slammed by the forces of US conservatism for what she said - no surprise there.  Pity she also alienated so many people who could, perhaps, have educated her a bit about why women make the choices they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Linda Hirshman is probably frustrated by today&#8217;s reality not turning out to be the one she thought she was working for.  Maybe she just can&#8217;t understand the choices being made by the generations of women following her.  I guess that&#8217;s not really a surprise - given that she is an academic and most of them are very bound up in their work and base a lot of their identity around it.  Also, it is often true that the generation that follows us tends to mystify us!</p>
<p>What really irritates me is that she sets such store by the choices made by a few &#8216;elite&#8217; women.  Their choices are pretty much irrelevant to me.</p>
<p>I have identified as a feminist since my teens and spent a lot of time reading theorists who wrote about the family, the position of &#8216;housewives&#8217; in society, etc. etc.  I think there ARE interesting things to be said about what is happening in the world of work/family - just not quite what Linda Hirshman said!  Of course she got slammed by the forces of US conservatism for what she said - no surprise there.  Pity she also alienated so many people who could, perhaps, have educated her a bit about why women make the choices they do.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 09:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting post. The Washington Post article is infuriating and really did dilute the several worthwhile points the journalist had made in the 1st article. I sometimes wonder if I'm letting the side down by opting out of work, but like someone pointed out in the other blog, that is as silly as saying I'm letting schools down by having my children learn at home. And to be honest, I didn't enjoy my work all that much. I'm learning far more and contributing more to, well, the common good (jeez, how pompous!) that I ever did when I was working. My husband has a well paid job, but to be honest, his job is so demanding and he works such long hours that I'd far prefer him to paid less and home more. 
Sorry, I'm rambling and will now cease!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting post. The Washington Post article is infuriating and really did dilute the several worthwhile points the journalist had made in the 1st article. I sometimes wonder if I&#8217;m letting the side down by opting out of work, but like someone pointed out in the other blog, that is as silly as saying I&#8217;m letting schools down by having my children learn at home. And to be honest, I didn&#8217;t enjoy my work all that much. I&#8217;m learning far more and contributing more to, well, the common good (jeez, how pompous!) that I ever did when I was working. My husband has a well paid job, but to be honest, his job is so demanding and he works such long hours that I&#8217;d far prefer him to paid less and home more.<br />
Sorry, I&#8217;m rambling and will now cease!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jax,

Interesting article on work/life balance: http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/104/vandebroek.html

Just for a laugh (given your current work culture):
http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/06/writestuff.html

While I'm about it, another bit of attitude adjustment that has to happen re. children is in churches.  Adults need to stop thinking of children as the church of tomorrow and realise that they're the church of today i.e. not to be packed off into Sunday School and patted on the head occasionally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jax,</p>
<p>Interesting article on work/life balance: <a href="http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/104/vandebroek.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/104/vandebroek.html</a></p>
<p>Just for a laugh (given your current work culture):<br />
<a href="http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/06/writestuff.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/06/writestuff.html</a></p>
<p>While I&#8217;m about it, another bit of attitude adjustment that has to happen re. children is in churches.  Adults need to stop thinking of children as the church of tomorrow and realise that they&#8217;re the church of today i.e. not to be packed off into Sunday School and patted on the head occasionally.</p>
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