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		<title>By: Deb W</title>
		<link>http://liveotherwise.co.uk/makingitup/2005/10/03/considering-outsourcing/comment-page-1/#comment-44281</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad I haven&#039;t offended anyone.

No, not all home-ed children have the same degree of freedom, and not all schools are equal either. I suppose it comes down to which bits of the home-ed &quot;package&quot; you think are important. I want all of it.

I think childcare is a little different, in that a childminder can cater to the individual in the same way the family can. A nursery can&#039;t, of course. BTDT with both.

Benefits of school - after 4.5 years of home-ed, I&#039;ve only been able to identify one benefit that can&#039;t be had in another way, and that&#039;s for me, not them, and it&#039;s the ability to go Christmas shopping during the week without the children in tow!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad I haven&#8217;t offended anyone.</p>
<p>No, not all home-ed children have the same degree of freedom, and not all schools are equal either. I suppose it comes down to which bits of the home-ed &#8220;package&#8221; you think are important. I want all of it.</p>
<p>I think childcare is a little different, in that a childminder can cater to the individual in the same way the family can. A nursery can&#8217;t, of course. BTDT with both.</p>
<p>Benefits of school &#8211; after 4.5 years of home-ed, I&#8217;ve only been able to identify one benefit that can&#8217;t be had in another way, and that&#8217;s for me, not them, and it&#8217;s the ability to go Christmas shopping during the week without the children in tow!</p>
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		<title>By: jax</title>
		<link>http://liveotherwise.co.uk/makingitup/2005/10/03/considering-outsourcing/comment-page-1/#comment-44083</link>
		<dc:creator>jax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:46:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s also another point here, not all home educated children are free in the manner you describe, and you have missed out possible benefits from being at school.  I think it could well be a good thing for both my offspring to get the chance to explore a whole load more resources than I&#039;ll ever have here, to experience a bit more give and take with other ppl (not just age mates, this school has small mixed age groups) both children and adults.

If I weren&#039;t working, we wouldn&#039;t be able to afford this school, nor would we need the childcare, so the discussion would never have arisen.  Given that I am working, and pretty much have to for at least a little while, we will take the best we can from this.

Deb, you haven&#039;t offended me, doubt you&#039;ll offend anyone here when all you are doing is stating your very reasoned and reasonable point of view.  I like a bit of debate - if I wasn&#039;t up for it, I wouldn&#039;t have posted ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s also another point here, not all home educated children are free in the manner you describe, and you have missed out possible benefits from being at school.  I think it could well be a good thing for both my offspring to get the chance to explore a whole load more resources than I&#8217;ll ever have here, to experience a bit more give and take with other ppl (not just age mates, this school has small mixed age groups) both children and adults.</p>
<p>If I weren&#8217;t working, we wouldn&#8217;t be able to afford this school, nor would we need the childcare, so the discussion would never have arisen.  Given that I am working, and pretty much have to for at least a little while, we will take the best we can from this.</p>
<p>Deb, you haven&#8217;t offended me, doubt you&#8217;ll offend anyone here when all you are doing is stating your very reasoned and reasonable point of view.  I like a bit of debate &#8211; if I wasn&#8217;t up for it, I wouldn&#8217;t have posted <img src='http://liveotherwise.co.uk/makingitup/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Alison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 21:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TBh though, a lot of your description of the constraints of school could be about most childcare. Which is obviously necessary for Jax and Tim atm :)

And hey, I was at school for 14 years, and I had plenty of conversations about cosines at 9.30 ;-)

Doesn&#039;t offend me, and I don&#039;t know what I&#039;d do if we found ourselves in the situation where I had to work too for some reason - I just think the change has already started, and finding somewhere great for the children to be is the best way of making sure it&#039;s a positive change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TBh though, a lot of your description of the constraints of school could be about most childcare. Which is obviously necessary for Jax and Tim atm <img src='http://liveotherwise.co.uk/makingitup/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And hey, I was at school for 14 years, and I had plenty of conversations about cosines at 9.30 <img src='http://liveotherwise.co.uk/makingitup/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t offend me, and I don&#8217;t know what I&#8217;d do if we found ourselves in the situation where I had to work too for some reason &#8211; I just think the change has already started, and finding somewhere great for the children to be is the best way of making sure it&#8217;s a positive change.</p>
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		<title>By: Deb W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deb W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the risk of offending everyone, and in the hope that this will be taken in the spirit in which it&#039;s intended:

I don&#039;t think home-educating parents stop being home-educating parents because their child goes to school. I think all good parents &quot;do home-ed&quot; some of the time.

But I do think a home-educated child loses a lot of what being a home-educated child means when he or she goes to school.

Because school - any school - means losing some of what home-education is about. Freedom. To learn when you want, play when you want, sleep when you want. To learn what you want. To spend the day outside when the weather&#039;s good and not go out for a week when the weather&#039;s miserable. To change your mind about plans for the day at a moment&#039;s notice.

School means following the school, rather than yourself. A schedule. A routine (whether it suits you personally or not). A requirement (or at least expectation) to be somewhere at a particular time. I&#039;ve yet to see the school that is willing to explain sines and cosines at 9.30 pm, as we did a couple of weeks ago. That was when he wanted to know, so that&#039;s when we did it. We could have done it even if he&#039;d spent all day at school, I suppose - but I somehow doubt that he&#039;d have asked then.

Bear in mind that I&#039;ve done school with one of mine, and nursery with two of them. There is a difference, and while school - any school or this particular one - might be a good solution for a particular family at a particular time - it&#039;s not the same as full-time home-education. And going to school - even a new, small, progressive, thinking school (as ours was) - does change a child. Maybe for better, maybe for worse. But definitely change.

Sorry, and hope everybody doesn&#039;t hate me now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of offending everyone, and in the hope that this will be taken in the spirit in which it&#8217;s intended:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think home-educating parents stop being home-educating parents because their child goes to school. I think all good parents &#8220;do home-ed&#8221; some of the time.</p>
<p>But I do think a home-educated child loses a lot of what being a home-educated child means when he or she goes to school.</p>
<p>Because school &#8211; any school &#8211; means losing some of what home-education is about. Freedom. To learn when you want, play when you want, sleep when you want. To learn what you want. To spend the day outside when the weather&#8217;s good and not go out for a week when the weather&#8217;s miserable. To change your mind about plans for the day at a moment&#8217;s notice.</p>
<p>School means following the school, rather than yourself. A schedule. A routine (whether it suits you personally or not). A requirement (or at least expectation) to be somewhere at a particular time. I&#8217;ve yet to see the school that is willing to explain sines and cosines at 9.30 pm, as we did a couple of weeks ago. That was when he wanted to know, so that&#8217;s when we did it. We could have done it even if he&#8217;d spent all day at school, I suppose &#8211; but I somehow doubt that he&#8217;d have asked then.</p>
<p>Bear in mind that I&#8217;ve done school with one of mine, and nursery with two of them. There is a difference, and while school &#8211; any school or this particular one &#8211; might be a good solution for a particular family at a particular time &#8211; it&#8217;s not the same as full-time home-education. And going to school &#8211; even a new, small, progressive, thinking school (as ours was) &#8211; does change a child. Maybe for better, maybe for worse. But definitely change.</p>
<p>Sorry, and hope everybody doesn&#8217;t hate me now.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nicki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 22:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gosh it&#039;s all been happening in my absence! Sounds really exciting Jax. Wish E&#039;s Monte Nursery didn&#039;t stop at 5, it would be really good for her to continue her 2 day/week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh it&#8217;s all been happening in my absence! Sounds really exciting Jax. Wish E&#8217;s Monte Nursery didn&#8217;t stop at 5, it would be really good for her to continue her 2 day/week.</p>
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		<title>By: layla</title>
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		<dc:creator>layla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 20:50:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sound really interesting, looking forward to hearing more</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sound really interesting, looking forward to hearing more</p>
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		<title>By: jax</title>
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		<dc:creator>jax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 20:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heather - get a blog!  I miss your giraffes :)  And sounds good about the local school - that&#039;s what I think all schools should be like, and for all ppl, not just children between ages of 5 - 16/18

To various of you, um, I do know multiple parents who treat school as a one stop childcare and view it that their responsibility ends at the school gate. We have one friend who wouldn&#039;t dream of describing herself as a home educator I suspect - but is downsizing her life so that she can drop her son at the school gates and pick him up without him having to use after school clubs, and make sure that her time with him is fun.

ps Jenny, your comment was in moderation when I wrote the main body of this, wasn&#039;t ignoring you, honest :)
Sarah, yes, this is for Small as well.  There&#039;s an outside chance they&#039;ll be in the same room, can&#039;t decide whether that is good or bad.  May well have to renegotiate the whole thing in a couple of months anyway, but we can but try.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heather &#8211; get a blog!  I miss your giraffes <img src='http://liveotherwise.co.uk/makingitup/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   And sounds good about the local school &#8211; that&#8217;s what I think all schools should be like, and for all ppl, not just children between ages of 5 &#8211; 16/18</p>
<p>To various of you, um, I do know multiple parents who treat school as a one stop childcare and view it that their responsibility ends at the school gate. We have one friend who wouldn&#8217;t dream of describing herself as a home educator I suspect &#8211; but is downsizing her life so that she can drop her son at the school gates and pick him up without him having to use after school clubs, and make sure that her time with him is fun.</p>
<p>ps Jenny, your comment was in moderation when I wrote the main body of this, wasn&#8217;t ignoring you, honest <img src='http://liveotherwise.co.uk/makingitup/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Sarah, yes, this is for Small as well.  There&#8217;s an outside chance they&#8217;ll be in the same room, can&#8217;t decide whether that is good or bad.  May well have to renegotiate the whole thing in a couple of months anyway, but we can but try.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 20:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jax, you know what is right for you and your kids and if they are up for it and you have found somewhere where you still have the control then where&#039;s the harm in giving it a try.  Montessor or Steiner are the only things I&#039;d consider for my kids now.  Hey if you go back to the village you grew up in you&#039;d be right by my favourite campsite :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jax, you know what is right for you and your kids and if they are up for it and you have found somewhere where you still have the control then where&#8217;s the harm in giving it a try.  Montessor or Steiner are the only things I&#8217;d consider for my kids now.  Hey if you go back to the village you grew up in you&#8217;d be right by my favourite campsite <img src='http://liveotherwise.co.uk/makingitup/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Katy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 20:04:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If there was a Montessori school near enough and if we had the money and if I thought Becca would be happy there I&#039;d not hesitate.  I think the Montessori ethos of following the child is so much better than anything the state system has to offer with its targets and tick boxs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If there was a Montessori school near enough and if we had the money and if I thought Becca would be happy there I&#8217;d not hesitate.  I think the Montessori ethos of following the child is so much better than anything the state system has to offer with its targets and tick boxs.</p>
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		<title>By: Joanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2005 19:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow!  But I am considering flexi- myself for some time in the future - maybe next year or the year after.  I am hoping it&#039;ll be the best of both worlds and not the worst....  I do think it&#039;s a good idea from many points of view.  Good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!  But I am considering flexi- myself for some time in the future &#8211; maybe next year or the year after.  I am hoping it&#8217;ll be the best of both worlds and not the worst&#8230;.  I do think it&#8217;s a good idea from many points of view.  Good luck!</p>
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